Sunday, April 6, 2008

De Senectute......About Aging !!

 

For me aging is an irreversible process .... and a challenge..... which begins at birth and we celebrate its progress once a year until we die. Of late I've been dusting off and reading a few of the old classical Latin authors , especially Marcus Tullius Cicero..... statesman , lawyer and all around great thinker. I consider myself one of the lucky ones ...... part of the last generation of those who not only studied Latin for itself as a language during my formative years but who also used Latin as a medium for studying other subjects such as , philosophy , theology , logic , patrology , history , canon law , etc As I look back fondly on that period  with hindsight now that I have reached the safe haven of my mature years I feel that there might still be some unfinished business to attend to ....... tidbits of wisdom to be gleaned and reflected upon from authors too quickly visited and not fully understood back then.

At the present moment I am perusing Cicero's De Senectute ...... About Aging....... and loving every word of it. Although written in 44 BC ........ more than 2000 years ago......it still remains highly pertinent in today's world. 'This work takes the form of Plato's Dialogues wherein three "straightmen " ( Scipio , Leleus and Cato ) question a wiseman ( Cicero himself ) about the great truths of the universe and mankind. At the beginning of the treatise Cicero mentions the four major reproaches that society , on the whole , makes to aging or old age.

" 5. Etenim, cum complector animo, quattuor reperio causas, cur senectus misera videatur: unam, quod avocet a rebus gerendis; alteram, quod corpus faciat infirmius; tertiam, quod privet fere omnibus voluptatibus; quartam, quod haud procul absit a morte. Earum, si placet, causarum quanta quamque sit iusta una quaeque, videamus. VI. A rebus gerendis senectus abstrahit. Quibus? An eis, quae iuventute geruntur et viribus? Nullaene igitur res sunt seniles quae, vel infirmis corporibus, animo tamen administrentur? Nihil ergo agebat Q. Maximus, nihil L. Paulus, pater tuus, socer optimi viri, fili mei? Ceteri senes, Fabricii, Curii, Coruncanii, cum rem publicam consilio et auctoritate defendebant, nihil agebant? "

"Cur senectus misera videatur "..... "Why old age might be seen as miserable " ..... 1) it hinders taking care of business or removes one from active life 2) it renders the body feeble and weak 3) it deprives the elderly of almost all pleasures and 4) it brings us closer to death. Cicero answers each objection in a positive and often humourous manner , especially number 3) dealing with life's pleasures and more particularly those of the flesh. It is his opinion that wild or illicit sex and politics make bad bedfellows as seen in the following quotation from the text ,

"40. Hinc patriae proditiones, hinc rerum publicarum eversiones, hinc cum hostibus clandestina colloquia nasci " ...... "thus betrayals of the fatherland , thus upheavals of political life , thus take rise secret talks with the enemies "..... While Cicero was listing a few examples from his own era I couldn't help but think of our own North American political leaders of recent times and their sexual slip ups or blunders while in office......

All in all it has proved to be  most interesting and pleasant reading on a timely subject. History marches on ...... and aging as well !!

18 comments:

  1. I am not happy to be aging, but not real fond of the other option!!

    My mom learned Latin when she was in school. She still remembers some. Or she did. She never used it though.

    hugs!

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  2. Hej Julie - Ann... I truly don't mind aging all that much... adaptation and compromise are the key words to keeping happy and maintaining our sense of humour ...Hugs !

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  3. I HATE getting older cause inside I am still feeling young yet my body is weak and everything seem so much harder to do when I am older. I wish I had half the energy I had when I were much younger. And if I feel like this NOW, when I am 48, how in the world will I feel when I am, let us say 70? lol


    I have to agree with what Julie said though I rather be aging than the other option!

    Have a great day! HUGS

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  4. I was thinking of the aging process not long ago. I recall reading somewhere that at age 28 we actually being the downway slide to a natural death..so up until age 28 we are livng and beyond that we are dying. Very interesting and it only goes to show how short lived man is on this planet....we can still relate to someone who lived in 44 BC.

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  5. I totally agree except I am so much older than 48. I see my mom in a nursing home & I am terrified of being in one also. And of being less than a person.

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  6. As I understand it the old geezers are getting more action than today's young studs. So much for philosophy. **LOL**

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  7. I am "free-falling" with this age deal. Sure has speeded up and I don't like it. I still try to feel as young as I can in my heart and soul, though.
    Looks like our next president is going to be in his 70's SO there is still hope for some good things to come.
    As for our politicians in the spare bedroom - they are fools - just plain fools!

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  8. Hej , Mona... You are wondering how you will deal with all this at age 70... ? well.... I can give you some first hand advice straight from the horse's mouth .... ME ! I'm over 70 already and all is well as long as you can accept the physical slowing down process and exercise mainly your mind and spirit. 20 years ago I used to run around my roof top fixing things ... I still do but somewhat slower and I tie myself to the chimney... I n longer play hockey with my friends ... but I can still skate.... and walking is always a fun option . Sure I ache and pain but never would I call it outright suffering ... and besides I do not wish to bore poor Fluff to death with every little hurting... hugs to you and Timmy.

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  9. Hi , Dixxe.... right you are about having lots in common with the virtues and foibles of folks in ancient societes. Some of these early authors sound like Christian preachers on a Sunday morning speaking out against the outrageous extravagances of the flesh and how the gods were highly displeased by such acts. And this was before Christianity even began with the birth of Christ. Human nature is a constant in the equation I guess.. have a great week , Dixxe.

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  10. Hey Julie - Ann once again.... I think we all should put some effort / energy during our early and later adulthood into laying a solid foundation for our senior years. Otherwise it could be rather bleak ! The French moralist Jean de la Bruyère wrote in one of his many essays , " La plupart des hommes emploient la meilleure partie de leur vie à rendre l'autre misérable "...... " Most men spend the first half of their lives making the second half miserable ". I truly believe we have to work at it.... otherwise it might just turn out to be the nightmare we fear most. HUgs

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  11. Hi Jim.... right you are I guess but only up to a point as Cicero refers to one consul in Gaul ( modern day France ) whose hormonal juices flooded his brain during a moment of debauchery with " scorta ".... harlots , paramours..... even pushing him to grant a special request to one of them...... the beheading of a political prisoner she didn't like. The head of the unfortunate man was delivered to the whore on a platter by the consul himself. Does this story ring a bell ? Remember Herod , Salome and poor John the Baptist in Jerusalem less than a century later ? Just in passing , the consul lost his job... have a great week down there in sunny Ohio.

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  12. Hey there , Cindy Anne.... courage , girl !! If anybody can grow older with grace and maturity ... I feel sure you can !!! I'm certain you will keep pulling rabbits out of your hat all along life's path. About your foolhardy politicians.... Did they only start horsing around sexually when they got to the White House , to be Governors of New York and New Jersey and mayor of Detroit , etc or were they like that before ? What don't they get caught before they hit the top ?Or was it only a one-night fling ? Har-di-Har !! Hugs !

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  13. My next report shall cover Cesar's Gallic Wars... or as we called them back in college .... Cesar's Garlic Wars

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  14. You have to remember Lonesome P..........that none of those big-wigs ever inhaled! LOL

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  15. "You have to remember Lonesome P..........that none of those big-wigs ever inhaled! LOL"

    ROTFLMFAO!!!

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  16. I like to think of our aging body as a kind of " Mars probe " which constantly beeps messages back to our brain , informing us of our limits and even suggesting certain compromises we must make in order to live a better and more rewarding life.

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  17. "I like to think of our aging body as a kind of " Mars probe " which constantly beeps messages back to our brain , informing us of our limits and even suggesting certain compromises we must make in order to live a better and more rewarding life."

    Ya mean things like, "You should no longer climb up on the roof for any reason much less to shovel snow off." **LOL**

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  18. I applaud your facility with Latin. My son in law's sister is a Latin teacher so she, I am sure would love what you are reading. In grade 8 I found Latin to be as daunting as geometry - actually learing about biology in a rather hands on approach was how that subject made an impact on me.

    I am thinking you have a partner who is a weee bit younger than you, so I just bet she will take especially good care of you in the years ahead, no matter what fun things getting older may have in store. You could end up in a box just like McDuff!

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